Author S. C. Gwynne joins us for an interesting and compelling discussion about his book Hymns of the Republic, Clara Barton, and how Grant should have been in that ill-fated box with Lincoln. We recommend: The Devil Crept In by Ania Ahlborn, The Association by Bentley Little, and To Be Taught If Fortunate by Becky Chambers. Audiobook of the week is Dark Matter by Blake Crouch narrated by the extraordinary Jon Lindstrom. YA book of the week is El Deafo by CeCe Bell. Dave sits in a windowless room for 8 hours, Andrew worries he gave someone a heart attack with his Halloween animitronics, and Laura chokes on a Sweet Tango Apple.