We’re joined by Sarina Bowen for a fun chat all about her new novel The Five Year Lie, her experiences blowing glass, and the weird things we see through our security doorbell cams. Plus – Dave is verging on moral bankruptcy, Andrew joins a Zoom meeting without realizing the insulting name he’s signed in under, and we say goodbye to our beloved dog Nelson. We also recommend: Rise of the Shadow Mage by James Haddock, Everyone is Watching by Heather Gudenkauf, and Darkside by Belinda Bauer. Audiobook of the Week is The Sleeper Lies by Andrea Mara.